Can or Will all Conscious Energy become Measurable?

Written by Mathew Naismith

This is an interesting exchange between three people including myself on the discussion of atheism & spiritualism, it would seem Eric believes we will never be able to measure ethereal consciousness as I believe we will be able to one day because consciousness is energy & Paul, who is an atheists, doesn’t believe in any of it.  

Note: There is a possibility of adding to this post latter on as the discussion continues about atheism & spirituality on LinkedIn.

Eric L Lundgaard • You are not hearing me yet Paul. Consciousness is not available to Science to study! It never will be and there is no role for Science when something can't be measured or find resolution. When you enjoy this understanding, you will see Science is impossible to explain what I am experience. Oh well, sorry you haven't had your own experiences!

G'day Eric

 I'm not so sure science won't be able to measure consciousness itself or certain aspects of it in the future Eric but of course as always I could be wrong.

At present there is no way however science can only evolve through consciousness connectedness & as science evolves further it will & is realising there is more ways to make deductive analysis than through a narrow minded modes of thought such as logic alone.

As science becomes more connected it will changed quite dramatically like it has in the last hundred years & if you look at it so has the awareness in spirituality, it's all connected. Everything is spiritual & therefore will expand in awareness together I believe but maybe I'm just wishful thinking. If we looked at the middle east for example, when spirituality expanded so did science soon after & when science became second fiddle spirituality took a turn towards fanaticism which of course like the dark ages for Europe stifled any scientific progress.

Becoming more connected to the universal consciousness means further developments in all areas of existence as it's all spiritual, well to me anyway. 

Eric L Lundgaard • Etheric Consciousness does not exist Mathew. It can't be measured or understood. It is part of all of us.

G’day Eric

I have an understanding that consciousness is an energy form & that any energy form can be measured, maybe not now but maybe in the far future if the human species is still around of course!!

I believe any thought you perceive can in fact exist however not in the way we perceive existence to be like for example a thousand years ago we perceived existence quite differently than what we do today. Thought is energy so if you thought of etheric consciousness it exists therefore is energy & can be measured I believe. No one thought that enters our mind isn’t of consciousness, every thought is & has always been, there is nothing new except the experiences of such collective thoughts.    

We as humans can’t fathom ethereal consciousness because we lack the conscious awareness to do so, so of course it’s not going to seem to exist but I believe it does because like I said if you thought of it it exists.

So this would mean a pink donkey with a human head exists? Yes but not in the way we perceive existence to be & of course it doesn’t have to be of a physical nature to exist either. There are soul entities that pretty much live as we do who have no physicality but still exist & in actual fact this is more natural & normal as such than physical existence as we know it.  Is our awareness of physical existence really physical to other existences? I’ve got a funny feeling not as the interpretation of physicality is different from different awareness levels & existences.   

I didn’t know exactly what ethereal consciousness was so I read a little about this from the links below.   

http://www.esoteric-philosophy.net/ethericbod.html

http://www.drlwilson.com/ARTICLES/ETHERIC%20ENERGY.HTM

My blessing

Mathew

We could ask here, what makes something in our awareness of what is physical from consciousness, why don’t we all see & hear a pink donkey when everything we imagine exists?  It takes a collective thought or consciousness to create anything in physical form, individually imagining a pink donkey isn’t going to create such a physical animal as it takes a collective thought to do that. For an example, consumerist materialism is real & was created by a collective consciousness, for without the collective consciousness things like consumerist materialism couldn’t have been created as it would still be an imagination. For another example let’s take war, if we didn’t collectively create war within our imagination war would have never existed. As long as we are imagining war, consumerist materialism & anything else as a collective species they will continue to exist that is why so many are trying to change our modes of thought to love & understanding. If this could ever be accomplished this world will change quite dramatically but we must do it collectively.

People like Jesus & Buddha for example tried to do just this, by influencing the mass or the collective to think & imagine differently they were actually trying to get us to create a wholly new physical existence for ourselves that was far better than what we were going through at the time. A good question to ask here is, “can we be influenced by a few to imagine a particular physical outcome thus physical creation?” This is how wars start & systems of living like consumerist material are created, it’s basically brain washing the mass or the collective to create what a few want. We look at everything as being physically created but it take imagination & thought on mass to create anything physical, without imagination & thought of such images it just can’t possibly be created in physical form.

“Imagination is a far greater tool than we could humanly ever possibly imagine!! “….Love Mathew   

Related link on the discussion of atheism & spiritualism below:

http://www.linkedin.com/groupItem?view=&gid=1523037&type=member&item=243164554&commentID=158399030&report%2Esuccess=8ULbKyXO6NDvmoK7o030UNOYGZKrvdhBhypZ_w8EpQrrQI-BBjkmxwkEOwBjLE28YyDIxcyEO7_TA_giuRN#commentID_158399030

What is High or Low Energy?

Written by Mathew Naismith

The following responses to one of my posts have some very good questions in regards to there being a higher or lower energy form or mass which I didn’t think I had the answers for to any degree until I started replying to them. The strange thing I can’t find the post they are referring too however I will insert the associated link in reference to these posts directly below.

http://www.spiritboard.net/showflat.pl?Cat=&Board=lightwork&Number=118702&page=&view=&sb=&part=1&vc=1#Post118702

Let me ask you, can you give me the defenition of this high energy? furthermore what even is a higher energy?

Within every system is an order, even when chaotic, they all intersect with eachother, they just don`t all interact with eachother.

If this highness what you mean is a vibration that is very fast, or high then is that the right definition?

Also don`t you think that if you are adept in energy use you could basically achieve the same results regardless of what energy you are using?

Thus is this higher energy really high? and is it only responsive to someone tapping into it, or does it allready interact with the rest?

I`m sorry i have to do this, but some misconceptions of high and low, of right and wrong, of dark and light and the list goes on, there is allways an association to something either negative or something positive, but never do i hear anything about neutral, or non interaction, and why it is that if it doesn`t interact with other stuff, then why does it do so when you tap into it?

And why would it be so much better?

Some food for thought

I'm with Ijinfuhen on this topic. I would like to read a bit more on this higher energy more then just somebody's say so. Energy is just energy, so how do you classify when it is light energy and when its not? And why is light energy so much higher then any other energies? It all seems a bit speculative to me.

The way I see it, darkness should be infinitely more valuable than light because light doesn't teach you anything. If darkness embodies negativity (which I presume most of the people on this forum believe), then isn't it much more beneficial for somebody to learn from a negative experience? Doesn't the pain of knowing what it is to lose a loved one, provide you with a better understanding and ability to comfort somebody else who lost somebody close to him/her? To me, it seems to be a much better stepping stone then most of the things I've read about light properties. But I digress.

G’day Ijinfuhen & Sexyathiest

Very good questions & here are my very good answers.

What I refer to a higher energy is an energy form that is vibrating faster/quicker also an energy mass that is made up of many vibrative frequencies like living matter compared to non-living matter. Humans are made up of many different vibrative frequencies that’s why a hand for instance looks different to a foot or hair on one part of the body is different to another part of the body, the more & varied the frequencies a mass is made up of the higher the energy flow because it’s the different & numerous frequencies that makes a certain mass higher in vibration than another.

Thought is but another vibration & humans to date have far more vibrative frequencies than an ape for instance this is what makes it of higher intelligence, the more frequencies one has the more thought!! 

I know a lot of spiritually aware people don’t believe this but we are always thinking even after death & of course in meditation, how do past loved one’s commune with us? The reason each of us have different variants or levels of vibration is due to our thought. When scientifically measured the frequency brain waves of someone thinking negatively to someone thinking positively is quite astounding, they just don’t use different parts of the brain but one is higher in its frequency rate than the other. [wink]

Love

Mathew

The fundamental thing to remember here is not to just think of energy as being of one vibration but also can be made up of various & numerous vibrative frequencies that make up a certain vibrative field of effect around a certain mass or form which I have explained about in past posts.  When you think about this, when you reach certain conscious states that you feel all at one & in harmony with all you are in fact connecting yourself with all other vibrative energy either it be of matter, form or whatever, you are connecting or I should say reconnecting with all of what is vibrating & has ever vibrated, no wonder we feel what we feel in these certain conscious states!!

The following links are quite an interesting supplement to this post especially the last one explaining that as quote: Gamma brain waves (39-100 hz) are involved in higher mental activity and consolidation of information. An interesting study has shown that advanced Tibetan meditators produce higher levels of gamma than non-meditators both before and during meditation.

http://www.mindreality.com/nature-of-vibration-in-spiritual-dimension

http://www.deliberatereceiving.com/how-our-thoughts-affect-our-vibration.html#axzz2YJWVHTrL

http://www.brainandhealth.com/Brain-Waves.html