Showing posts with label logic. Show all posts
Showing posts with label logic. Show all posts

Tuesday, 27 August 2013

The Illusion of Facts

Written by Mathew Naismith

I’m in discussion at present with other people who seemingly think only logically & facts of course are the basis of logic because only through logic does it seems we can attain facts which I’m going to try to prove isn’t the case & in fact facts are actually an illusion. I will also point out that logical people who work on facts only are in actual fact less logical than spiritually aware people.

First I would like to point out logic is eternal where’s facts aren’t for the main reason logical reasoning & deductions change with awareness where’s facts don’t, this is because facts pertain to the truth but they only pertain to the present truth not the eternal truth. Look at it this way, it’s fact that we are here right now however will we be here as we are now in two hundred years’ time or will this universe always be? The answer is no they won’t because all we can do logically is work on the facts of our present awareness, we can’t think past our present conscious awareness so what we deem as facts today will change as they have always changed right throughout human history. Take a look how the Earth was deemed as being flat, that was fact & the sun a God, that was fact but we are more aware now so these facts of the past are no longer facts.

Many times have I confronted people who can only think logically saying that they are about logic & facts where’s I’m only about faith & fantasy & at first glance that is what it seems like but that actually isn’t the case. If we looked at most logically minded people what do they support, a system that is destroying ourselves & our environment, what’s so logical about that but most spiritually aware people desire oneness & harmony, what’s more logical here?  What I’m actually saying is  spiritually aware people are actually more logical than supposed logically minded people & these same people base all their faith on facts which only pertain to the present but spiritually aware people’s faith is eternal usually. 

I’m also going to say we have all been duped in believing logically minded people are all about facts & are more logical within their thinking compared to spiritually aware people, because they are about facts they must be more logical but that is a fallacy obviously. What’s more logical, pertaining facts to just the present or knowing that facts are an illusion because they are only of the present? The word fact denotes truth but it doesn’t denote eternal truth, spiritually aware people realise there is no eternal truth in realities like this one & this is why facts are an illusion, here one minute gone the next.  Conscious awareness is forever changing & with this facts can only be of the now however logical reasoning & deductions change with our awareness. Think on this, what is going to happen when we do change from this chaotic waring existence to a more loving harmonious existence? Our logical reasoning & deduction will also change but hopefully at that stage we will know that too isn’t of fact (utter eternal truth).

Calling facts an illusion sounds like I’m calling this reality an illusion but only in the sense that it will pass not that it’s not real.  As stated in previous posts everything that vibrates is real however it’s all an illusion for two reasons, one it’s not eternal & is only of the present & two this reality we only live & are aware of is only a part of our whole self not our whole self but just because it’s only a part of our whole self doesn’t really make it an illusion. The real illusion is thinking it is our whole self which is what most logically minded factual people think so again who is really more logical within their modes of thought? It is funny to think spiritually aware people are more logical but that to me seems the case. 

The following response is from someone finding it difficult in understand where I am coming from, I’ve also inserted my reply to such misunderstandings.

+Mathew Naismith don't take this as a personal attack, it's just that your reasoning reminds me of my bartender days talking to customers, are you sober?
You are not making any sense to me, anyone else feel the same? 

+Gerald Sienkiewicz Actually Gerald I didn't take it to heart in actual fact I laughed at what you said as I can understand where you are coming from.

I suppose the first person to say that we will walk on the moon one day was also laughed at like any new concept of understanding.  All I'm doing is trying to show a different perspective of facts & logic & failing obviously which is OK. 

We tend to relate logic only to facts which I don't think is the case & that any given fact of today might not be fact tomorrow. I also think we put too much emphasis on facts that aren't eternal & that we should rely more  on logic's as logic's change with awareness where's facts just get replaced with others facts brought on by furthering our awareness.

I think we can also hinder our awareness by stating something as being fact that's it, in this lays stagnation because we won't look further because we think we have the facts when we don't. 

There is a big problem with this conscious change, a lot of spiritually aware people will tend to think quite differently than what they did before & often most people won’t understand where these new age thinkers are coming from which of course is fair enough.     

Sunday, 25 August 2013

Beautiful Spiritual Philosophy

Written by Mathew Naismith

Recently I came across a beautiful person who’s seems to always quote beautiful philosophy about life from many people so I thought I would gracefully share her with you today.  “Within sharing we have opened up new doors that where once closed through selfish designs”….Love Mathew

The good thing about philosophy is it doesn’t have to be of fact & logic but just of logical thought for in each philosophical view there is always logic. Faith believe it or not is also of logic to those who believe that faith is binding in bringing us together as one, what could be more logical than bringing us all together, “united we stand, divided we fall”.  

I thought I would share a recent discussion that I & another person had with this lovely lady as follow:

Zen Message of the Week: "If you love life, don't waste time, for time is what life is made up of." ~Bruce Lee Submit your own Zen Message at:

Sue Rumack • Is there a difference between placing your energies on make work, time filling activities as an avoidance technique AND quiet contemplation and reflection without an attached activity? Both could be seen as wasting time.

Moon H. Cho • None of those activities are wasting time if you are spiritually happy and growing during the process.

Sue Rumack • agreed

G'day Moon
So apt, time is indeed wasted without the love of life however some like to waste others peoples time therefore life as we have seen so often in human history. Grow strong grow wise!!

Moon H. Cho • Mathew... This is a good point. Unfortunately, others wasting your time is part and parcel of life, so I try to have it minimized and surrender to it when it inevitably happens.

Mathew Naismith • Yes, don't fight it, accept it for what it is & move on but some of us haven't got the wisdom to do this sadly enough.

By not accepting this &/or ignoring it is non-accepting which denotes conflict however if we have the wisdom to accept then move on we are for no longer in conflict & fear of it's return.

Many people denounce the ego & have a fear of being of the ego again but if you accept it first one never has a fear of such things again & the ego within this process of acceptance will never come again as it was, automatically, I believe.

I do love your philosophy Moon, it's beautiful.

Spiritual philosophical views pertain to life itself not to any factual views usually but all philosophy pertains to logical thinking, we tend to put logics in relation to fact only but that isn’t actually the case.  “For there to be wonder one must wonder about what there is to wonder about in the first place for without this wonderment no logical explanation can be found to entice one to wonder”….Love Mathew. We tend to pertain logics to fields like science & law for instance but for one to wonder about being of faith one would need to wonder in logical form for there to be such wonderment to entice one towards such fields. “We need not separate logic from faith for in this can there only be further separation”…..Love Mathew. Spirituality & faith isn’t about separation but togetherness & oneness, because we perceive logic as being of certain fields we separate this from our beliefs & faiths as it presumably seems like an opposing field of thought & action but in this thought alone are we practicing in separation & division.   

Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere.
Albert Einstein

Wednesday, 21 August 2013

Imagination v Logic

Written by Mathew Naismith

Note: I have inserted at the end of this post a further supplements to this post.  

Imagination: Where does the imagination come from? Imagination like the speech & vision centres doesn’t have a centre or a part of the brain that it comes from, no region within the brain controls imagination but imagination is a huge part of our lives which can change somewhat from childhood to adulthood but of course not always. So what’s so special about imagination?  Definition of imagination from Wikipedia:   Imagination, also called the faculty of imagining, is the ability to form new images and sensations that are not perceived through sight, hearing, or other senses. Imagination helps make knowledge applicable in solving problems and is fundamental to integrating experience and the learning process. Also: But in reality, without knowledge, imagination cannot be developed.

Now this is interesting, so imagination doesn’t use any of the five senses to exist so how can it exist? Also imagination can’t exist without knowledge so why do children have a much wider range of imagination to adults if they are less knowledgeable, wouldn’t adults have a much wider range of imagination?  Yes they should if it is based on human knowledge alone but it’s not just based on human knowledge I believe otherwise children wouldn’t have much of an imagination period also when we take into account that imagination doesn’t need any of the five senses to exist we must wonder where it comes from. We have also got to wonder why children have a greater range of imagination than adults.  Do we as adults use imagination in a more complex way which is driven by our own personal knowledge? Yes we do however this still doesn’t account to why children are more imaginative. Does logic kill off imagination as we become more knowledgeable? Yes it does & in this process we imagine less because we then have a need to imagine things that make more sense & are more logical so this explains why adults have a far less range of imagination on average compared to children.

So logic kills off imagination but the question still remains why do children have a vaster array of imagination to adults when adults are supposed to be more knowledgeable, they can imagine anything being real? The following should answer this question.

Logic: So as adults we have killed off our childhood imaginations & turned it into logic, so what? Wikipedia as stated previously: “Imagination helps make knowledge applicable in solving problems and is fundamental to integrating experience and the learning process”.  We as a species & as individuals are always learning so this is actually saying that the imagination is fundamentally important towards the learning process but we don’t stop learning in adulthood? In actual fact we do, we stop learning through imagination & turn it into just logic, in other words we take on one learning process by replacing imagination with logic alone. Imagination depicts all learning processes but logic is only of the process of logic, one learning process.

Imagination gives us a huge array or possibilities instead of being limited to possibilities of logic alone. A thousand years ago it was totally illogical to think man could ever fly especially in the crafts we have today & in actual fact if you made this public you could have been put to death in saying so in certain counties & provinces as this made no logical sense at the time but we know better now. We must ask a question here, would have flight like many things have been possible without illogical imagination? The answer of course is no so by replacing imagination altogether with logic thought is this going to be more beneficial than letting our imaginations soar? The answer again would have to be no obviously. So in actual fact we could be stifling our conscious awareness by replacing our imagination with logic alone & that is exactly what I think we are doing. By thinking through one thought process as logic instead of letting ourselves soar through unlimited imagination we are in fact stifling our conscious awareness obviously as previously stated that “Imagination helps make knowledge applicable in solving problems and is fundamental to integrating experience and the learning process” so we should be asking here what is thinking within the logic process actually stopping us from learning? That is a very good question indeed & one that can’t be answered until we stop thinking in one thought process. Just imagine what we are stopping ourselves from knowing!!

We could say here that scientists aren’t imaginative because they are all about logic but that’s not true. For a scientist to even think of evaluating anything they must first see/imagine an outcome, yes they are still deductively formulating using logical thinking but an imaginative outcome is needed at first for any action to be taken so one must logically imagine an outcome first otherwise what would be the logical purpose of conducting such evaluations in the first place. Successful science is all about a balance of logic & imagination I believe. I also believe the reason why some scientists are more successful than other is the more successful scientists are the more connected to the collective consciousness they are through imagination, they foresee/imagine an outcome prior to completion of any said task. So is this saying consciousness is unlimited imagination? Yes most definitely. 

Consciousness: I’m going to theorise the reason why children have a wider range of imagination from adults is not just because we become logical thinkers but by becoming solely logical thinkers we become detached even more from the collective consciousness & the more logical in thought we are the more detached we become. We have also got to take into consideration here that imagination doesn’t use any of the five senses to exist either & of course the sixth sense also relates to being more connected to the collective consciousness so what does all this mean? This means we are imaginative even before we have the chance of gaining human knowledge but it still takes knowledge to imagine, we can’t possibly imagine without knowledge & this is where the collective consciousness comes into it as it’s a vast array of knowledge far vaster than human knowledge will ever be so no wonder why children have a wider range of imagination to adults, they are more connected. 

This brings us to the question, is that all we imagine real considering it’s all a part of the collective consciousness? Nothing of what we think isn’t unreal within consciousness, in other words yes it’s all real because it’s totally impossible to think of anything that isn’t already a part of the collective consciousness. If it’s of the collective consciousness it has to be real in one way or another & certainly not necessarily of this reality either. A lot of spiritually aware people consider this reality of being an illusion therefore unreal, they are right to a point because it’s not the whole of us only a portion of whom we are however just because it’s only a portion of who we are doesn’t make it unreal or an illusion in my mind.

“Think about this for a moment, try to think of something that isn’t a part of the collective consciousness, let your imagination completely go………….everything you have just imagined is already a part of the collective consciousness whatever you could have imagined”…….Love Mathew
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Supplement: The amended supplement below is in relation to a discussion on atheism & spirituality’s which I have inserted here because of its relevance to this post.   

I have just researched & wrote up recently on imagination v logic & found that if we just used logic one couldn’t perceive what the outcome would be until proven to be true through logic which hinders the research however when a scientist like Einstein uses imagination they can imagine what the results could be before they are logically proven which allows for a better outcome. “Knowledge is limited, imagination encircles the world”- Albert Einstein. By using imagination & having faith within their own research which can take years the scientific results are far greater.

Indeed, Einstein himself put it thusly:
There is no logical way to the discovery of these elemental laws. There is only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order lying behind the appearance.

Max Planck said: “Again and again the imaginary plan on which one attempts to build up order breaks down and then we must try another. This imaginative vision and faith in the ultimate success are indispensable. The pure rationalist has no place here”.

They are talking about intuition which a lot of spiritually aware people also take heed of & the purist rationalist has no place here means it’s not all just based on logic as you like to claim but faith & imagination as well.

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Thursday, 15 August 2013

Faith, Mysticism & Philosophy to Science

Written by Mathew Naismith

I’ve been having quite an interesting discussion with an atheist lately in how hypocritical atheism can be depending on the dogmatic attitude of some atheists & how it is also of a belief but mostly how flawed the beliefs/concepts/theories or whatever you want to call them are.  Some atheists think if it isn’t of logic it can’t be proved so it can’t have happened or it was a delusion of some kind. Where did logical thinking & science derive from? Faith, mysticism & philosophy, this is the way we were thinking before logic & science thought became thought but we still evolved from living in caves & foraging for food, how did we evolve without logic at first?

Below is part of my reply to an atheist that can’t or won’t see that the beliefs of atheism are flawed & in fact they think they aren’t beliefs at all but if you can’t prove something without a doubt it’s not fact so if it’s not fact it must be of a belief, no one can prove or disprove God doesn’t exist, this is a funny argument coming from a spiritually aware agnostic as myself.

G’day Paul
I experienced from quite a young age phenomena that science can’t logically explain as yet but it doesn’t make it delusional or unreal Paul just because science can’t logically prove something, this is small minded thinking. A thousand yrs ago people knew it was impossible for humans to ever gain flight or that we would ever have motorised vehicles, just because it wasn’t logical back then doesn’t make it illogical period Paul, this is a lame way of thinking Paul & thank God we have foresighted thinkers because if we all thought like atheists back in the cave man days that is exactly where we would still be obviously because nothing could be proven logically back then especially by science there for we wouldn’t have evolve through lack of logical proof. This way of thinking that everything has to be logically proved before implemented Paul is utterly flawed!!

How did we evolve from the caves without logic Paul? It was through faith & eventually science was formed from faith, philosophy & mysticism, now this is fact Paul as this actually happened & without logic.

You obviously haven’t experienced any genuine spiritual phenomena Paul that can’t be explained as yet by science but most of us here have, it doesn’t make us wrong or delusional like you keep trying to say. Just because it’s scientifically illogical doesn’t make it delusional or unreal Paul it just makes it unprovable at this point in time to people who only think logically. Most of us here think outside the logic square which to me denotes foresighted thinking.

If we were all born atheists & had the thinking capability of an atheist back in the cave man days would have we accepted fire? We couldn’t because we had no logical understanding or awareness in how fire existed. I could see an atheist just putting out the fire because there was no logical proof of its existence & this is no different with the existence of God or a creative consciousness. The argument would be of course from an atheist is, “we can see the fire exists but we can’t of a God &/or consciousness”, what are we & of all of creation, we are God &/or consciousness. Just like the fire it exists & just like the fire in the cave man days it still exists without logical proof for the main reason we can neither logically prove nor disprove such things just like fire in the cave man days so yes I can see atheists back then putting out the fire.

All I can say is thank god our ancestors back then didn’t think like some of us do today, we would have never evolved & this is why the beliefs of atheism is flawed, it can’t possibly exist without logic. We didn’t have the logical understanding of such things back then but we did have faith & from faith  mysticism & philosophy evolved & from faith, mysticism & philosophy science was created & evolved so really we have a lot to thank faith for. So the big question here is, since we have evolved from cave man days of faith to logical thinking do we need faith any longer?  Logic gives us one thought perception or mode of thought but faith gives us another which of course proved handy in our evolutional thought process & perception for without faith we obviously wouldn’t have evolved & I don’t think it’s any different today.

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