3rd Dimension And It's Consciousness

Written by Mathew Naismith

I created the following image format just recently, this format of course makes it difficult for my  readers from various other countries to translate, I have therefore decided to share this image in a written document format. I am also going to elaborate on what is stated here.

The lab or laboratory refers to the 3rd dimension, this universe, and the experiment itself refers to the consciousness used within the lab. This however isn't referring that we are being experimented on by a so called higher consciousness, it means we have become apart of the experiment itself to the extent of becoming primarily of 3rd dimensional consciousness. All this means is we have become so involved and attached to the 3rd dimension, that we have forgotten the consciousness that created the lab in the first place.             

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Nothing within a 3rd dimension has been created from a 3rd dimensional consciousness. All of what is of the 3rd dimension, was created from other dimension, this is because the 3rd dimension is limited to a certain consciousness.

The 3rd dimension is like a science experiment conducted in a lab, the 3rd dimension is the lab while the experiment itself represents the consciousness used in relation to the lab.

The 3rd dimensional lab determines what is discovered and created from these discoveries but the consciousness used is of other dimensions, albeit in a limited way in accordance with the 3rd dimensional lab.

This is not easy to properly comprehend for various reasons, one being the primary use of 3rd dimensional consciousness. The lab might be 3rd dimensional but the consciousness isn't, not unless the consciousness used is limited to the lab itself.

~Mathew G~

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This is certainly a different way to look at our existence, there is however no right or wrong way of perceiving our existence for consciousness itself is unlimited, only created consciousness's like 3rd dimensional consciousness is limited. This limitation of course gives us a different perception of an existence as each limitation does, however, because we are conditioned to a consciousness of the 3rd dimension, that is how we perceive, any other perception beyond these limitations is usually incomprehensible to us.

The following is a good thing to be aware of. I'm usually accused of being argumentative in dissuasions, the reason lies entirely on how many ways I can perceive one perspective, basically people like me tend to have a reasonable answer for almost anything, this infuriates people who are unable to perceive in the same way. A good example of this is, anyone who can only primarily perceive through 3rd dimensional consciousness, will of course perceive discussions as an arguments when in discussion with a person who can perceive beyond 3rd dimensional consciousness. Arguments of course being primarily of 3rd dimensional perspectives. If you are able to perceive beyond 3rd dimensional consciousness, you will most likely find it difficult to discus anything remotely insightful and in-depth with anyone who primarily perceives in 3rd dimensional perspectives. It's wise to keep the discussion content to a 3rd dimensional aspect. I'm obviously not very wise, this is obvious!! :)

There is also a reversal or a calibration when conducting in a discussion with people who can perceive beyond 3rd dimensional limitations as yourself, each giving a different view/perception of a singular perspective. Now this is interesting, I have had numerous discussions with Eastern minded people, only on one occasion did the discussion, to some extent, get to an argumentative stage. At no times was I personally attacked or called names when in total disagreement. I however have personally experienced that Western minded people are the opposite, even when the discussion isn't an argument, they call the discussion an argument or cause it to be an argument.

The question is, are Eastern minded people conditioned to think beyond 3rd dimensional consciousness more than Western minded people? It would seem that Eastern teachings teach about a consciousness beyond 3rd dimensional consciousness, where's western thinking seems to be based more on 3rd dimensional consciousness.  This assumption isn't just based on Western minded people turning a discussion into an argument, even when their is no argument to begin with, this assumption is also based on various spiritual teachings of Eastern cultures. There is also a very good reason why so many Western spiritually aware people most often turn to Eastern philosophy and spiritual practices, yoga is a  good example and so is meditation to start with.

You will also find a lot of the ancient Western philosophies and practises were more based on other dimensional consciousness's than the 3rd dimension, this is by no mistake. The laboratory (3rd dimension) didn't dictate the consciousness being used within this 3rd dimensional laboratory in ancient times, consciousness's from various dimension were utilised. In the West, we now primarily use 3rd dimensional consciousness within this laboratory, this of course limits our perspectives and the various perceptions of these perspectives to 3rd dimensional aspects. Sadly, the East is also being influenced by 3rd dimensional consciousness which is primarily of the finite, not the infinite.

This way of looking at our existence has nothing to do with absolute truths, it does however have something to do with perceiving beyond 3rd dimensional aspects and perceptions, this is all. To me, it's wise to be aware of the consciousness we use in our experimentations in a 3rd dimensional laboratory/reality.      

Humbling Ourselves - The Soul Spectrum

Written by Mathew Naismith

If you are unable or unwilling to try to comprehend other perspectives and perceptions, this post is definitely not for you. Comprehending other perspectives and perceptions doesn't mean you replace one with the other or your own with someone else's, it just means acquiring the ability to understand other conscious entities perspectives and perceptions. Basically, becoming aware beyond the limitations of human perspectives and perceptions create.

Now I didn't label/head this post with, Humbling Ourselves - The Soul Spectrum, for no reason. Usually when referring to the soul, I would make reverence to the soul as a level. The soul level as opposed to human level, how else in a 3rd dimension can we make reverence without differentiating one state to another without making reference to a level?  I used spectrum because spectrum is not limited to a specific set of values but can vary infinitely within a continuum. It's important to remember this as spectrum is not limited to a specific set of values, however,  levels are often  in reference to specific set values, basically, levels are limiting, spectrums aren't.

I am quite aware that I am humbling myself in reverence to human consciousness in relation to the soul spectrum. By experiencing human consciousness, my soul is humbling itself.  Now we might think I am making reference to a level here, being that the human consciousness is obvious in it's lack of awareness for only in ignorance can a consciousness become destructive but I'm not. I don't have a destructive soul by nature but some souls are destructive by nature, this is not defining levels, it's actually defining a spectrum as each soul consciousness is as varied as each human consciousness. Human consciousness thinks in levels, our souls consciousness thinks in spectrums, however, if a soul is destructive by nature, the soul itself will also think in levels.

We might then think that some human consciousness's also think in spectrums, as some human consciousness's are not destructive by nature, this however isn't the case as we often forget we are firstly of the soul and secondly of human. Quite often the souls consciousness influences the human spectrum/consciousness, when this occurs, the human consciousness is then no longer primarily of human consciousness, it becomes the souls consciousness. It's difficult for a lot of us to perceive but the soul is not human or of human consciousness, so when we are influenced by the soul, we are no longer primarily of human consciousness even though we are still physically and mentally human.          

I should point out here that science has confirmed, in various ways, that we indeed have a soul or a consciousness that can exist apart from physicality.

This is great when an obvious constructive soul is influential upon human consciousness, however,  what occurs when an obvious destructive soul is influential upon the human consciousness? The world around us at present is a good example of what occurs when obvious destructive souls are more influential upon human consciousness. It's wise to be aware that souls, destructive or constructive by nature, are not of human consciousness, in actuality, it's these different souls spectrums that has formed/created human consciousness to what it is today.

So is there a human consciousness as such?

In reference to spectrums, no, in reference to levels, yes, remembering, levels make reference to limitations, spectrums however have no limitations as they are variable.

Human consciousness is created from non-human consciousness, the reason why human consciousness is what it is, has to do with the influence different souls spectrums have had upon it, in a sense, human consciousness is also variable within it's varied expressions even though human consciousness is predominantly influenced by levels, these levels of course limit human consciousness. Human consciousness is quite amazing actually within it's variations of influences that human consciousness is created from.

So are all souls humbling themselves to human consciousness?

When we consider that only in ignorance can a consciousness become destructive, it is obvious that not all souls are humbling themselves to human consciousness but is this truly the case. We might now presume that souls that are destructive by nature, are not humbling themselves for human consciousness as a whole isn't as destructive as some souls are, meaning, human consciousness is less destructive as some souls. We might then think because human consciousness is less destructive than some souls are, these souls that are destructive by nature, can't possibly be humbling themselves as human consciousness is less destructive compared to their own souls consciousness, this isn't actually the case however. Because some souls are destructive by nature, experiencing a less destructive consciousness is humbling themselves to human consciousness.

Ignorance is obvious within it's destructive tendencies and awareness is obvious within it's constructive tendencies. A soul that is destructive by nature, humbles itself to a consciousness that is less destructive while a soul that is constructive by nature, is also humbled by a more destructive consciousness. The human consciousness spectrum is variable therefore all less variable consciousness's will be humbled by human consciousness. If we measure human consciousness by levels, human consciousness is either horrid or beautiful, however, when we perceive human consciousness in spectrums, it's neither one or the other because human consciousness is too variable within it's influences brought about by variable souls that influence such a consciousness.

In all, every soul seems to be, to one extent or another, humbling itself to human consciousness. The reason for this lies in the spectrums of human consciousness, not the levels of human consciousness.

In a sense human consciousness is beautiful within it's variations, it's quite amazing actually but only because I perceive the spectrums of human consciousness, not measure human consciousness by levels. Levels define a limitation and judgment, spectrums define limitlessness and an unbiased observation.      

Being Aware - A More Placid Existence

Written by Mathew Naismith

It's obvious to me that being aware gives me a more accepting disposition, this in turn gives me a more placid existence, this state however is only acquired if one is aware beyond certain conditionings set down in the following.

I have observed that many people are struggling with what is going on in the world at present, I have also observed that others who ignore and /or separate themselves from these adversities, seem content and placid, this is until they are themselves directly influenced by these adversities adversely.  

The following is but a guide to a more aware and accepting placid existence.

~ Condition yourself to all of  what is going on in human consciousness, even to the adversities, this will allow you to cope better with these adversities when they influence you. Staying ignorant or separate to these adversities actually makes you a lot more vulnerable than other people who are conditioned to these adversities. This however doesn't mean you allow these adversities to condition you to become these adversities, it means to only become aware of these adversities. You can be within these adversities without being of these adversities.

~  Now this is a big one, try not to judge what is wrong or right, good or bad, negative or positive, black or white, this also means not to judge what is judged to be positive because one will always create the other to the same extent. To also judge what is positive, means there has to be a negative to compare a positive to, wouldn't it be better if we didn't have a judged negative to begin with?

~ Observe instead of judging. A true observation will only observe a difference without the separation of judgment, for example, one will observe what is and isn't destructive without judging a positive or negative within this observation. Observation means to become aware of your environment where judgment means to stay ignorant to our environment. Observation also means to become aware of all perceptions without bias, however, judgment means to stay ignorant to any other perception but your own.

~ Now we come to love. Love naturally detracts from destructive tendencies, this is because once a consciousness truly loves, it is quite unable to destroy anything. A true sense of love is also of awareness, this is the main reason why this kind of love is unable to be destructive for only in ignorance can a consciousness destroy, a truly aware consciousness is unable to express destructive tendencies, however......

~ It's wise to be also aware that human consciousness is conditioned to abuse and misuse any trait that will seem to benefit it, religion, spirituality, politics, materialism, are good examples of this abuse and misuse, this abuse and misuse in turn will of course create extremes. Human consciousness is but one journey with infinite paths to follow, however to make things interesting, we also have a choice to evolve further from this human consciousness or not.  

~ Become aware that human consciousness is but one journey we are all on no matter what path we are following, however, be also aware that another consciousness that is evolving from human consciousness is developing. This means that some of us will evolve and some of us won't and one consciousness will become more constructive, the other more destructive and some people will be comfortable with what is going on in the world at present, some people won't, there are no wrong or rights with this.

~ Some of us are indeed splitting away from human consciousness, it's likened to human consciousness forking of into a different journey to human consciousness, however, don't get the idea that human consciousness isn't ascending, human consciousness is ascending but it's not evolving into another more aware consciousness. Human consciousness is ascending into a more destructive consciousness, it's wise not to judge this as not being an ascension because it's unbecoming in some way to us. Ascension isn't governed by how a consciousness thinks and expresses itself, an ascending consciousness only has to improve on itself, in anyway.

~ Indeed, the consciousness that is evolving from human consciousness, will once again entail infinite paths while this evolved consciousness is but once again one journey, one consciousness. These paths within this consciousness will be nothing like the paths that are followed in human consciousness's journey, they will be quite different because the journey (consciousness) will be different. One consciousness = journey, individual consciousness's = paths, one journey being taken by many consciousness's on different paths.

~ This new evolved consciousness will be very different to human consciousness, try to let go of this human consciousness, this human consciousness is ascending through technology and corruption but it's still a consciousness that will never be truly aware and passive, it's purely unable to for any length of time.

~ We don't just have a choice of paths to experience, we now have a different journey to choose to experience our paths through, it's indeed a lively time to exist as a 3rd dimensional consciousness.

~ One more thing, try not to judge each other, the journey you have chosen to follow, either it be spiritual or materialistic, is but a journey, one is not wrong or right over the other even though either side might have disdain for the other!! There are of course people who have not judged one journey being more worthy than the other, however, these people have observed that one is more destructive than the other, in the end, you must go with what you feel is the right journey for you to take. 

       

Earths Precious Resources

Written by Mathew Naismith

Being predominantly physically inclined, we might think I'm going to talk about mineral or other natural resources of the Earth but I'm not, I'm actually referring to conscious forms and souls expressing themselves physically. Basically, the  most precious resources existing on Earth at present is consciousness expressed in a physical way. Liken this to a wise mind expressing itself physically, wisdom is non-physical/immaterial/spiritual until expressed in a physical way. Is wisdom expressed in a physical way any less precious because it's expressed in a physical way? Also, being that everything was created from a consciousness, it's all precious, just because one kind of consciousness expresses itself in a destructive way, doesn't mean it's not precious and worthy. Human consciousness is still precious and worthy no matter how it expresses itself.

I know this is hard to perceive but perceive the Earth and human consciousness to a lucrative gold or diamond mine and then billion times this over and over again, this is how precious this Earth and everything thing on Earth is. Words are unable to express how precious Earth is at present, look at how many different souls are presently existing on Earth, the Earth is utterly glowing.

Now we might think that because human consciousness is as destructive as it is at present, it couldn't possibly be glowing but it is. We can't see this when we look upon or observe the whole Earth physically, because man is so physically inclined, all we perceive is a darkness overshadowing/destroying the Earth and everything on it. Now observe the Earth as a non-physical entity or a non-physical conscious energy source, it's utterly glowing because all that is occurring is that one source of energy is replacing another. We must remember here that you can't destroy energy, you can only transform energy, basically, Earth is going through an energy transformation. Yes I know, it's horrid what we are doing to the plants and animals upon the Earth and Earth itself, only a consciousness that is ignorant can destroy on this magnitude. Indeed, human consciousness at present is basically the most ignorant life force on Earth, this however doesn't take away from the massive energy glow that is being permeated from this life force. 

Is it wise to replace one energy life force with another more destructive life force?

I think the answer to this question is obvious, no matter how vibrantly glowing human consciousness is, any predominately destructive life force will in the end destroy itself. Liken this to a virus, once the virus destroys it's hosts, it basically destroys itself as it has nothing else to feed upon. Human consciousness at present is ferociously feeding upon it's host, Earth and it's life forms, in the end, there will be no host to feed upon.

However, like I said before, you can't destroy energy, you can only transform it, this will mean, if man doesn't destroy himself as well, that human consciousness will physically transform into something else. Like I said, the Earth is going through a massive energy transformation but we do still have a choice of what this transformation will create.

If we choose to continue in our ignorant ways, what will transform from this is something unnatural, a form of consciousness that is built upon through an unnatural process, basically, the creation of  an illusionary physical consciousness. It's basically going to be a world built upon lies and deception, a totally pseudo/fake consciousness, a world void of a true sense of awareness or wisdom. 

However, the alternative will create a consciousness far beyond our present comprehension, a consciousness of pure wisdom and awareness, basically, a world built upon by the truth, a non-illusionary world. This will create quite a different glow, a more sparkling vibrant glow instead of a dull weary glow. Don't get me wrong, human consciousness is glowing big time but the sparkling glow is diminishing. The more we replace a balanced neutral consciousness with a destructive consciousness, the duller and less vibrant the glow will become.

We are destroying something vary precious because we are not aware of how precious it is. Human consciousness can live within this precious resource without destroying or replacing this precious resource with another more destructive precious resource. No matter how destructive human consciousness becomes, it's still precious. What human consciousness needs to become aware of, is it doesn't need to destroy or replace other consciousness's with it's own consciousness to exist, even in large numbers. This of course will take human consciousness to transform into a more aware and wise consciousness, the alternative is anything but aware and wise. We indeed have alternatives, in the end, it's the collective human consciousness that will decide which journey to take......          

To Evolve Beyond Human Consciousness

Written by Mathew Naismith

Like any other species, human consciousness itself can only comprehend to a certain point, any comprehension beyond this point isn't of human origin. As of any  consciousness of any species, human consciousness has it's limitations, it's certainly not infinite within it's comprehension. It's these limitations that keep human consciousness locked up in certain scenarios (box's) thus creating a never ending recurring existence of war and desolation, in actuality, human consciousness is infinite within it's behaviour. It's a behaviour that just keeps on reoccurring, it's never ending, even after a consciousness has physically obliterated itself, it's still able to once again physically recreate the same scenario over and over again. In my mind, human consciousness is having a real hard time evolving into another species that is able to comprehend beyond what human consciousness is able to.

I should point out that human consciousness isn't physical, it's very much of a non-physical entity, in other words it doesn't die when the physical self dies.  

Evolving Consciousness: Did the human collective consciousness truly comprehend what people like Jesus and Buddha tried to portray? Obviously not, if it did, we wouldn't be where we are today, playing out the same old scenarios over and over again.

Humans evolved from micro-organisms, it is quite comprehensible, to me, that humans are not the end of the chain of evolution, evolution doesn't stop at being human, it will go on but only if we are willing to evolve. Of course it's possible that not all human will evolve, there  still micro-organisms and apes around, not all of a species will evolve, however, it's unlikely that humans, while cohabiting with a more consciously aware being, won't evolve. Basically, human consciousness will die out either by it's own hands or evolve while cohabiting with more aware conscious entities. However, any human consciousness that doesn't naturally evolve or cohabitate with more aware entities, will consciously stay human. This is neither right nor wrong, it just is, is it wrong for a micro-organism to stay as a micro-organism?

Malignant Consciousness: Human consciousness has experienced various influences from other forms of consciousness's, Jesus and Buddha are but a few of these more aware consciousness's, however, human consciousness has also been influenced by what I call malignant consciousness's as well. It's a cancer causing consciousness in a sense it influences a consciousness to become highly destructive, even to itself. Cancer isn't just a physical entity, it's also non-physical, in actuality, everything that is of the physical, has been created from the non-physical. You could look at people like Jesus and Buddha as being  doctors/healers of malignant cancers, of consciousness's that are highly destructive, it's just we didn't take our medicine to avoid getting really ill, we just didn't listen and now human consciousness is riddled with malignant cancers.

Human consciousness is unable to, quite understandably, comprehend that everything that is physical, was created from non-physical consciousness. Human consciousness is so conditioned to physicality, even after the physical self dies, it still hangs onto it's physical self, ghosts are a good example of this. This makes the human physical self accessible to malignant non-physical consciousness's, being that anything primarily of the five senses, is a prime candidate for these malignant consciousness's to influence. The only thing that is able to stop this influence is the realisation that we are not just of these five senses. In actuality, if we could perceive our own existence void of the five senses, no amount of  malignant consciousness would be able to influence us, it's this simple. To evolve, we need to realise we are not just these five senses.  

Note: If you are not into souls, the following isn't going to be for you.

Souls: Some souls, at the soul level, are of physicality, the five senses, some aren't. The five sense are by far not just of physicality as of physicality isn't just of the physical, in actuality, human consciousness isn't very physical at all in the whole scheme of things. There are consciousness's that are far more of the five senses than we are but to us they seem to be non-physical. This kind of existence is too difficult to comprehend or put into words.

We have a huge mix of souls, within this reality, that are primarily of the five senses and souls that are primarily of the comprehension and conditioning beyond these five senses. Just like we have our own paths to follow in this life, we also have our own path to follow at the soul level, this means souls that are primarily of the five senses, are more likely to be influenced by malignant consciousness's. A consciousness that is influenced by malignant consciousness's, is naturally controlling, this being that the five senses are all about control. Any consciousness void of the control of the five senses, is unable to be controlling in any sense. It's the five senses that give consciousness the ability to control or the illusion  of control!!

Why are so many people who are aware, are disheartened and uneasy about what is occurring in the world and other people are not? I find it quite interesting that we have a huge variety of souls within this one reality, it's not a real coexistence however, there is no real cohabiting between these quite different souls, this is primarily due to outside influence from other conscious entities. The more of the five sense we are of, the more susceptible we will be to malignant consciousness's, it's quite inevitable. It was inevitable that this kind of reality was going to be controlled by malignant consciousness's if we didn't listen to far more aware consciousness's, the game isn't over though for any consciousness not fooled into being just of the five senses.

Basically, the five senses are of the finite where's a comprehension beyond these five sense is of the infinite. Anything of the awareness of the infinite self, will prevail, anything not, will stay as a malignant consciousness's, a consciousness that is forever fixed to a never ending cycle of doom and gloom over and over again. Not all of us are meant to evolve from being of human consciousness, this is their path as we have ours.

In all, have faith within your infinite self......        

God's Consciousness and Masochism

Written by Mathew Naismith

I will start this post off with a reply I gave in relation to my post titled, Why Be Fooled Into Masochism. This post certainly stirred up emotions in various people, however, not all the emotions expressed where against what I wrote, in fact quite the opposite as I will also present. 

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"My issue was with the idea that if you chose to make a safe haven for yourself them it was implied that you were a masochist. "

Not at all, I never implied this, I did however state that people who often create a safe haven for themselves, can become Masochists unbeknownst to them, not that they are masochists.

I think people read into what they want to read in regards to this post, not what was actually written for various reasons. Once our emotions are stirred, we often perceive things in a bias or prejudged way, this is well known in psychology to occur to all of us at one time or another.

Recently , I sent a twitter to our prime minister about a certain issue, and not to long ago I approached our local federal member on another issue. If more people did this, the better off we all would be.

However, praying and meditating helps, especially ourselves because we then think we are doing something worthy, it keeps us uplifted. If more of us could only balance out this with actual actions, the world would be a far better place to live.

The answer is react but not in opposition to as my post states, as soon as we act in opposition, even to pray, we create a reaction. Praying and meditation is good, I hope people keep it up but in opposition to this is a much more aggressive energy counteracting any prayer or meditation. 

You may not agree, we need to all stop reacting to each other in opposition, if the world did this, we would instantly have peace on earth.

Why is God allowing all this to happen, or more precisely, why are we allowing it to happen?

God didn't create everything, God didn't create wars, famine or our destructive ways, we did. God is not controlling, we have been created to express ourselves at will without any limitans (infinite), this also means to create in our own right. being that God isn't controlling, would this God's consciousness kill off what we have created? No, but he has sent various messengers to guide us to create a much more constructive environment.

How long would Jesus or Buddha, for example, last in our present environment, they would killed them off immediately. instead what's in place of Buddha and Jesus? The people who behold the consciousness of Buddha and Jesus within themselves. The 144,000 people will represent this consciousness but these people, in my mind, need to be aware of being fooled into masochism as much as possible.

In Australia, terrible things happen, floods and fires some one of them. every time this occurs, I feel for the people involved and then I feel even more for the people around the world who suffer even more day in day out.

This is only my perception Marsa, I could be terribly wrong but that is the way I feel at present.

Much Blessings,

Mathew

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The following is a representation of a more favourable response to this post, plus, I also inserted my reply to this email reply.

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Holy Wow,  You are a very intelligent and enlightened person.  Your writing is amazing!

The fear section really resonated with me, because of my faith growing stronger by the day, I’m able to confidently fight the enemy that tries to attack my thoughts. 

(I think of it, like I strap on the armour of God each day, a covering/protection not seen by the eyes, but felt across my soul and heart) woah, that’s a bit deep even for me....hehe.

I do however, have a healthy fear of the Lord himself. My idea of a personal relationship with God is having a balance of faith and fear, because I still have to be accountable for my actions, I can’t get complacent and think “oh God forgives”, because he also likes to teach us lessons which are sometimes very harsh.  To me he is like my parent disciplining me throughout my life and even at 42 getting a slap over the wrist at times.  Hope that makes sense about the healthy fear, I know you will understand but a lot would think that those two words conflict each other.

Well I think you are positively amazing with your writing and your thoughts, well done!

My Reply:

Kim, I'm neither intelligent nor enlightened, aware yes.

Unlike a lot of new age spirituality teaches, fear is a healthy trait to have, fear teaches us so much and informs us of our ways when we go astray or before we go astray, fear is of awareness. 

Fear and God go very well together, as you seem to be stating, we need to fear to stay on track, this is awareness for only the ignorant have no fear of God. This kind of fear isn't based on fear alone, it's based on awareness, an awareness to build upon a more constructive reality. Fear alone denotes a consciousnesses that is highly destructive, quite a difference but not many people see it this way sadly enough. 

I'm not a strict Jesus and God person but I understand and appreciate what has been given to me. 

Much Blessings,

Mathew

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The consciousness of God isn't about fear as in fearing, it's about wisdom to be aware that certain actions will entail creating situation or realities that aren't constructive or wise to do, unless this is what our intentions are. This is why I have in previous posts referred to this God's consciousness as pure wisdom, basically, this is where all wisdom stems from. In actuality, the fear comes from us, not from this God's consciousness directly, its' the God's consciousness within us that gives us this fear for we know deep down that we are indeed creating something that will hurt us all in the end. Basically, it's our inner self that is telling us to fear of what our actions will create, this inner self being of God's consciousness.

You can either take fear as something to run from, therefore, stay unaware or ignorant to what this fear is telling us, or,  face the fear face on and learn the wisdom this fear is trying to tell you. I know a lot of spiritual practices tell us to fear fearing and to judge what is and isn't fear, I think within myself, this is highly counterproductive. The reason why such teachings are counterproductive is simple, once we judge what is what,  we instantly react in opposition to anything we have judged as negative or bad, one action instantly cancels out the other.

Using fear on it's own, is always going to lead to an opposing reality resulting in conflict and masochism of various kinds. Running away from fear because we have judged fear as being plainly bad or negative, is a person being fooled into masochism. Take wisdom of fear out of our lives, all you are left with is fear void of any wisdom what so ever. What have we done in the world? Exactly this........well, in my mind anyway.

Note: The consciousness of God refers to the creative source of everything, a creative source of all creation and not an image of a man in a white robe.   

Does Consciousness Exist Outside the Brain?

written by Mathew Naismith

The following discussion is long and tedious and at times bitter but what the outcome of this discussion produces, is amazing to say the least. The discussion is based on my last post, "Putting Consciousness Into Perspective", but is primarily to do with consciousness being able to exist outside of the human brain. Also, some of the links I supplied might be of interest to some people.

Please bare with me, I have to prompt some people in opposition to my ideas at times to get the truth out in the open, I'm not interested in untruths. Prompting means to incite a discussion that tells of the opposing parties true intentions. I'm very good at this and it does take me to be tough on a person at times, basically, tough love. I wouldn't call this a pleasant discussion by far but at times we need to put up with the unpleasantries to get to what is pleasant for us, the world the way it is, is a good indication of this.            

       

Reply

Consciousness is not "the mental action or process of acquiring knowledge", though knowledge may be acquired while conscious.

There is no "physical consciousness". Consciousness is a pattern within, or functioning of, a physical brain.

Consciousness is not "the act of acquiring awareness". That is the act of becoming conscious itself.

"The mental aspect is the same in the physical as it is of the non-physical, the only difference is, the physical existence needs a brain to process these mental actions and processes, the non-physical doesn't need a brain, it works with the mind"
No, consciousness is the functioning of a physical brain. There is no "non-physical" consciousness that does not need a brain.

A brain is still a brain without a mind. It just isn't functioning. But a mind is not a mind without a brain.

Consciousness is not a "non-physical entity". It is not an entity at all. it is a state of a mind.

Let's put this simply, without any "woo"...
The mind is the functioning of a brain.
Consciousness is an emergent property of a complex brain.
Easy-peasy. Nothing mysterious about it.

My Reply

There are a number of dictionary interpretations that say otherwise Bruce, but all these kinds of interpretation denote is a physical perspective over and above a non-physical perspective. 

"A brain is still a brain without a mind. It just isn't functioning. But a mind is not a mind without a brain."

So how do ghosts/spirits interact in a physical existence when they don't themselves have a physical brain? The only way you could answer this is state that ghosts don't exist when they obviously do. Science studies have proven that the mind exists outside the body. 

You put the physical before the non-physical therefore you will never be able to comprehend what I am talking about, you have proven the points I made in the post Bruce. 

Your in a box and this box is labeled physical, that is all you can perceive because you are in this box, easy-peasy, nothing complicated about this. 

People like myself are out of that box you labeled physical, therefore, we our perspectives and perception are much broader than the box labeled physical.

Bruce, in a million years you will never WANT to see this will you? If you are happy existing in your box, that's good as I am happy existing outside your box labeled physical.

What, stating facts instead of fiction Bruce. It is well known in psychology that we do indeed put ourselves within a box and this is where we perceive from, of course the box gives us a bias perspective as you have quite clearly displayed here Bruce. There is a much bigger world outside the box Bruce.......

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You stated fiction, not facts. Fantasy, not reality.
I stated facts. I described both mind and consciousness in simple terms. Both of my descriptions are empirically supported. Yours are not.

It is well known in psychology that we do indeed put ourselves within a box and this is where we perceive from
So what?

of course the box gives us a bias perspective as you have quite clearly displayed here Bruce
You've yet to demonstrate that. All you've demonstrated is that you can't defend your ideas.

There is a much bigger world outside the box Bruce.
I'm glad you've noticed. Why don't you come out and play with all the rational intelligent people?

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The dictionary interpretations I read contradict your own for starters. So according to you, dictionaries are fictional......!!! 

Through a number of science experiments conducted, they have concluded that the mind does indeed exist outside of the body but there is no way you will comprehend this Bruce, this is inevitable as no doubt you will prove. Can you now see the box you are trying to perceive the rest of existence through? 

Anyone for starters who clearly states that dictionary's are fictional, are certainly existing in a box Bruce.

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Please provide a link to the "dictionary definitions" you used.
I just think your dictionaries are fictional.

Through a number of science experiments conducted, they have concluded that the mind does indeed exist outside of the body
No, they have not. Now you are just flat-out lying.

Are you ever going to get around to defending your ideas? I'm getting tired of waiting. One might almost conclude that you cannot....

...and I see you've spammed this to a dozen different communities. What a dick move.

My Reply

Word web, consciousness: An alert cognitive state in which you are aware of yourself and your situation

Being that consciousness is obviously cognitive, cognitive interpretation is as follow, " The mental action or process of acquiring knowledge and understanding through thought, experience, and the senses." 

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/cognition

Now I know for a fact you will screw this around but consciousness is being cognitive, this is a fact Bruce. 

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/consciousness

"The state of being aware of and responsive to one’s surroundings: " 

I think a cognition relates to being aware would you not? You made the mistake in not thinking in terms of cognitive did you not Bruce? Big mistake.......Consciousness, an alert cognitive state, so what you are saying is consciousness isn't a cognitive state, obviously? 

Now for my evidence of the mind being able to exist outside of the physical brain.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiPkKX_ha7NAhUGJKYKHSF7B-8QFggeMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ukapologetics.net%2F07%2Fmindandbody.htm&usg=AFQjCNF_gczwScwjo4FjTlX0No-2eLj5Fw&sig2=x5kSYKZVlQ9K1uSAjq2Cag

http://www.learning-mind.com/quantum-theory-proves-that-consciousness-moves-to-another-universe-after-death/

http://themindunleashed.org/2014/03/brain-create-consciousness.html

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/biocentrism/201112/does-the-soul-exist-evidence-says-yes

http://www.oddee.com/item_98822.aspx

http://humansarefree.com/2015/07/scientific-proof-of-reincarnation-yes.html

So if I'm lying and unintelligent, unlike yourself of course, all these far more intelligent people than you are also lying according to your obvious bias perception? You have once again proven that you do indeed exist in a box labelled physical. 

In a million years my friend, you will not concede you are wrong in any sense, this will be obvious in your replies. Get out of your box Bruce, it's making you look awfully stupid my friend.

By the way, I can, in time, produce future links to state how much of a liar I'm not and how ignorant you are if you like.

Further proof that souls exist which means so does the mind outside of the body. 

http://consciouslifenews.com/scientist-photographs-soul-leaving-body/1165924/

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/quantum-scientists-offer-proof-soul-exists/story-fneszs56-1226507452687

Extract: A PAIR of world-renowned quantum scientists say they can prove the existence of the soul.

http://www.strangenotions.com/seven-proofs-for-the-natural-immortality-of-the-human-soul/

http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm

https://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/10/29/science-now-proves-reincarnation-a-look-at-the-souls-journey-after-death/

Of course all these people are far more unintelligent than Bruce, he will obviously tell us so. I think these people are no doubt far better educated than Bruce but Bruce is still more intelligent according to Bruce. That bias perception giving a bias perspective again caused by existing in a box, will these people ever wake up from out of the illusion? We better hope they do one day.... 


I will in time produce more info and links to many more people who are liars and far less intelligent than Bruce even though Bruce isn't even a scientist, it would seem, or quantum physicist. The box can certainly delude us.

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"Word web, consciousness: An alert cognitive state in which you are aware of yourself and your situation"
...which is not how you defined it in your post. As I pointed out in my first reply.

"Now I know for a fact you will screw this around but consciousness is being cognitive"
Nope.
Consciousness is cognitive.
Learning is cognitive.
That does not mean that Consciousness is learning. That's a logical fallacy.

Consciousness is the state of being aware.
Cognition is the state of learning.
Learn the definitions of the words you use.

"Now for my evidence of the mind being able to exist outside of the physical brain."
Peer-reviewed research, please. And present your argument. I don't debate with links. Demonstrate you understand what they are saying.

"So if I'm lying and unintelligent, unlike yourself of course"
I'm more honest than you, and far smarter.

I await your peer-reviewed research demonstrating mind/body dualism...

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It would seem we are going to continue is this charade.

Try to be conscious without being cognitive, you're actually saying a consciousness can. Consciousness is being cognitive. It is also obvious you didn't know this because you should have mentioned it earlier but you didn't. 

What I explained what consciousness is, is correct because I didn't say the definition of consciousness did I, I only stated consciousness did I not? Your not very observant Bruce, that bloody box again!! 

By the way, there is a big difference between definition and interpretation but of course you don't know this either it would seem. Get out of that box Bruce...

So being aware through being conscious isn't learning through being aware!! 

"I'm more honest than you, and far smarter'.

So calling people names is a sign of intelligence Bruce, I don't think so especially when that name calling isn't backed up with evidence as I have produced. 

"I await your peer-reviewed research demonstrating mind/body dualism..."

So on all the info I supplied from far more intelligent people than you or I, even if you don't think so, this is your reply, your kidding me aren't you.......!! 

Because you are far smarter than I, you demonstrate that you know what they are stating. I think my post certainly demonstrates that I know what they are stating but you won't ever have this will you?

Bruce, give us sound evidence that I lied, good luck on this because I have already proven otherwise haven't I? But not to anyone in a box.... 

Bruce, it's not a good idea confronting people like myself like you have here, all you have proven is how bias and unobservant you are as of anyone stuck in a box would be. 

You absolutely have no idea what I am talking about Bruce which again proves my point about the box. You have proven how unobservant you are as you have proven how observant I am and that my friend is a fact. You of course won't see this either sadly enough

Interpretation: A mental representation of the meaning or significance of something 

Definition: A concise explanation of the meaning of a word, phrase or symbol 

There is a huge difference in their meaning. I stand by my explanation, cognitive represents consciousness as consciousness is represented by a cognitive factor. 

Once again, give us evidence I lied Bruce, at least give us this.....

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Play nice everyone ;)
I personally find your different perspectives very interesting and thank you both for engaging.

My Reply

 Everyone's perspectives are interesting but I don't think Bruce thinks this, I suppose that's why he stooped to name calling. 

What's interesting is that one of us is calling the other person names when replying to them, while the other person has always used the persons actual name when in reply. 

I think my physical pain is getting to me, too much typing in a short time space which makes the discussion even more interesting.

I might have to apologise to Bruce, I have been a little rough on him but it has been interesting, it confirms my perceptions and perspectives in a number of different ways unbeknownst to Bruce.

It's very interesting what that box has created, this is the illusion being that all we are is this box.

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I'm really just learning about all this, but I'm always ready to hear arguments on any side. 

I will reiterate to you both, though, to please be civil where you attack the contention, not the person.

My Reply

You and me both otherwise I wouldn't bother acknowledging Bruce. 

I should ease up on Bruce, I've prompted him way too many times but it's been interesting all the same.

My follow up reply

The following is an interesting read on why attributing consciousness to the physical brain is absurd. 

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/09/21/one-page-proof-that-attributing-consciousness-to-the-brain-is-absurd/

Extract: Consider this an open letter to philosophers, brain researchers, physicists, technocrats, Ray Kurzweil, and TED executives who censored lectures on consciousness by Graham Hancock and Rupert Sheldrake.

Conventional science readily admits (insists) that the brain is made of the same particles that constitute everything else in the universe: rocks, chairs, comets, meteors, galaxies. According to conventional physicists, these particles are not conscious. Therefore, there is no reason to conclude the brain is conscious. The brain has no more ability to spawn consciousness than a rock does. End of story. End of proof. You’re welcome. Of course, a few scientists will argue (and many more will privately believe) that, since we humans ARE conscious, this proves the brain is producing consciousness—because, where else could we look for an explanation? Which is called circular reasoning. Meaning: you already assume what you’re trying to prove. Any first-semester logic student would mark that argument INVALID. Some scientists, suddenly invoking a brand of mysticism they otherwise deplore, claim the unique complex configuration of particles called the brain somehow—in this one case—has a capacity to break every rule in the book and deliver consciousness. But no proof, just faith. Supposition.

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To me, to take a solid unwithering stand that consciousness can't possibility ever exist outside the brain, is an indication of utter blind faith, a consciousness entrapped in a box of dogmatic beliefs and concepts based purely on bias. Consider this, how would a consciousness entrapped in a box behave otherwise but bias and bias to the extreme. This sounds awfully like I'm talking about an extremist religious ideology but I'm not, I'm speaking of the bias and extremism of science........

I however don't exactly agree in the statement that certain physicists state that consciousness is in rocks, trees and so forth, I once read that these physicists state that everything has a form or kind of consciousness, meaning, not everything has a consciousness like humans for example but I could be incorrect in this. Basically, this article supports my scientifically supported suppositions and conjectures in regards to my post.

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The discussion is continuing which in my mind isn't worth mentioning, the following is my last sensible reply in regards to this discussion.

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This is interesting, our discussion has been primarily on the physical aspects of consciousness, basically, a consciousness that is cognitive, cognition being "The psychological result of perception and learning and reasoning" (Word Web).

In my post, I had a different interpretation of non-physical consciousness than of cognition for a very good reason, that reason being that not all non-physical consciousness is cognitive for the pure fact such consciousness isn't psychologically represented. I'm not about to go into this to why this is so on here.

What I am stating also is that awareness, which obviously takes a consciousness of some kind, is of learning, even when the physical conscious mind is unaware, the physical, and most likely non-physical, unconsciousness is aware. So while we are asleep, unconscious, we are not suppose to be aware and learning? This seems to be what is being stated by certain people here, even when we are physically unconscious, we are still learning because we are still aware be it in a different format. Has anyone heard of sleep learning to begin with?

Another point to make here is the way we analyse, if I was to totally pull apart a human body and totally segregate each part from the other, would we still call these segregated parts a human as opposed of being of a human. It's no longer a human especially when we segregate it, it's of parts of a human.

What some people are doing here in this discussion is the same, segregate everything and only mention what they want to acknowledge and still call it a holistic analysis. Not once has anyone of the opposing view to mine analysed the info I have given holistically. Certain people within science and spiritualty do the same if they want or desire a certain outcome other than what the holistic approach will produce/create. This is well known in the circles of psychology and quantum physics to occur. 

I could pull apart any fact and turn it into fiction, this is fact, the question is, would I be deceptive in doing so? Obviously......How often is factual life turned into fiction and of course visa-versa? This is one reason people like me can see through blatant deception  which is usually created by a consciousness being bias while stuck in a box.

My box analogy is certainly being proven here.

https://endgametime.wordpress.com/the-awakening-quantum-mechanics-of-the-human-brain-and-consciousness/

 Extract:Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart. 

http://keelynet.com/biology/reality.htm

Where is the physical brain when two subatomic particles can communicate with each other over a long distance? Communication takes consciousness because one consciousness has to be aware of another consciousness to be able to communicate, in other words, self-awareness. This of course won't make any difference to a bias consciousness, this is going to be evident.  

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Human consciousness has always evolved, just because we think we have found the right box, were not allowing human consciousness to evolve any further!! As human history quite plainly shows, there is no right box, only evolution......we are meant to evolve even if that means evolving into an entirely different species or entities.

I again apologise for the length and disposition displayed in this post.......