Showing posts with label atheism. Show all posts
Showing posts with label atheism. Show all posts

Thursday 15 August 2013

Faith, Mysticism & Philosophy to Science pt2


Written by Mathew Naismith

I thought I would share a few comments from a post titled Faith, Mysticism & Philosophy to Science from Google community.


From Pedro

I don't think an atheist would have just flat-out reject fire. I believe that one such man/woman would simply conclude that he/she has no way of explaining the phenomenon.

Now, something that is a very common theme in all of humanity is our inward instinct to want to know everything. Our brain, by its nature, doesn't like not knowing everything. If we can't deduce a plausible solution, we make one up.

Besides, as a caveman/woman, I would just be thankful that the fire existed, because our ability to control fire is what led us to become what we are today.



G’day Perdro

So what's the difference between fire & God or faith? Atheists don't accept there being a God so with the same logic they wouldn't accept fire either, they couldn't if they used the same logical thinking process, it's logically impossible. 

What they did use was faith, faith within the fire without being able to logically understand how it was & how it worked so what's the difference between that & a God or faith of today?

I'm a spiritually aware agnostic if I was going to give what I believe a label which makes me a little more open minded to different perceptions than most atheists so I can open my mind up to more possibilities than a closed minded atheists obviously.


From Ben

Logic points to people creating religion to explain what they don't understand. I don't see how an atheist caveman's reaction to fire has any connection. I'm sure the caveman(atheist or theist) would think fire was magic and would keep a cautious distance. Maybe they might think it's a message from a higher life form. Again, logic points to magic being the answer when the answer is unclear. Some of us will reserve judgement until more facts are in... Others will blindly cling to the first answer they hear. 


G’day Ben

We don't understand the human brain to it's fullest extent but that's not of religion & neither is the universe because we can't even agree in how it was first created & what about everything else we don't understand about it.

If we used the same logical deductive reasoning that atheists use today that we have with God or faith the cave man fire wouldn't exist but it does obviously because we can see it but an atheists couldn't accept this because it's not of any logic within their awareness or knowing. This same concept is used to formulate an idea that God can't exist or that faith is delusional today.

God or what I call consciousness collectively or not is like the fire, it exists because we exist, in other words we are proof of a creative consciousness or God exists, just because we can't logically give it definition yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


A thousand years ago there was no way we could ever take flight because that was logically impossible at the time. Logic changes with our conscious awareness however some logic like atheist logic hasn't by the looks of it.  If it's not logical at the time it can never exist, strange atheist concepts I have to admit however the concepts of agnosticism are quite different.  

Wednesday 19 June 2013

Atheism-Extremist Belief System or Not?


Written by Mathew Naismith

Reedited: I thought I would add another forum site link address here on this discussion, it is quite interesting on how everyone perceives atheism differently.

The following is from a forum site discussing atheism & spiritualism; it’s worth a look in how some atheists truly see the world sadly enough.  I was of course at my best telling it how I see it straight up & to the point.  



G’day Paul

I see reading the other posts your still Mathew bashing , well that’s OK because that is who you are when someone disagrees with you & questions your belief obviously,  this is a normal reaction in anyone with beliefs & beliefs in isms.

You don’t get it Paul, it’s the black & whites that have caused us so much conflict within the world because there is a yin & yang, atheism & religious  fundamentalism  & so on & so on, one would have to be blind not to see it & that is the problem, we only see a difference but we don’t understand the difference . Nothing is just white or black however for a better understanding of these whites & blacks within each other we need to separate them to bring them together again through understanding of what each element is made of, notice them as black & white to start with.

 For an example, a female psychologist will interact with a male client differently to a female client, one is black the other white but by doing this from the start she can delve into the black & whites of the said person a lot better than if she from the start couldn’t see them as just black & white male & female to start with, comparing atheism to religious fundamentalism is exactly the same in identifying them as black & white to start with & then from this one is able to see their similarities & dissimilarities, black & whites within each other.   

 It would seem to you there is no black & white which leads to ignorance & misunderstanding because by not seeing them as black & white from the start you have no hope in hell in going on to understanding them & then & only then can one bring them together. This is exactly like some spiritually aware people do these days, they only see the ego & judgment as negative & by doing so misunderstand & miss it’s positive purposes in human life. We are told to rid ourselves of these so called profanities from the start but to reach true awareness spiritually & subconsciously one needs to understand the differences of the black & whites of these things first & once we do this the ego & judgment automatically become less of a threat to us as they become null & void after a while but you can’t force this like so many are doing before you understand the negative & positive attributes of these black & whites in everyday human life. We are not born divine we need to rediscover the divine within us to understand it’s purpose within life itself.  

I won’t converse with you again Paul for a number of reasons.

LOVE
Mathew

Also:

Why are most atheists also dogmatic with their views towards people like Jesus, Buddha & so on & so on as they obviously existed?  Yes I know people can be delusional but come on!! I would like to add that scientists have proven it to be psychologically beneficial to perform in certain religious rituals even when singing hymns so even though I’m not religious myself religion (theism) still has it’s place in society but of course an atheist probably wouldn’t or couldn’t see this because of their beliefs but people like me can.

“Extremism has no balance”…Love Mathew

“A threat is an illusion until we believe in one thing instead of everything”…Love Mathew

“Faith in man is faith in oneself for without faith in oneself one will never have faith in man”….Love
Mathew


“To believe or not to believe that is not the question, the question is, are we able to believe, that is the question”…… Love Mathew 

Tuesday 11 June 2013

Objectivity as Opposed to Subjectivity



Written by Mathew Naismith

I thought I would post this as it’s quite an interesting exchanged between people who believe in atheism as opposed to spiritualism as a whole. The problem with firmly believing in anything one can never make an objective remark to anything opposing such beliefs & in actual fact it is psychologically impossible depending on how dogmatic one is. This is a trap we all need to be wary of because if were not objective we are usually subjective which is conflictive & that is one thing we don’t need any more of in this world/reality in my mind.  

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G’day Paul

You’re very wrong with the vibration thing Paul.

A scientific experiment was conducted on how the brain reacts when people were meditating & singing hymns, with the person singing hymns the part of the brain that controls speech wasn’t active but they were still singing. How about the shrimp experiment, a plant in the next room reacted to the shrimp being boiled & of course I could go on. Most people who mediate think they stop thinking but of course they don’t but the brain does react quite differently when not in meditation or singing hymns.

Everything vibrates & of course one vibration will react to or with another vibration including thought & the human body. What a Sharman & witch doctor do is work with these vibration however scientifically unbeknown to them; nothings hoogly-boogly. 

How about bone pointing with the Australian aboriginals, if you believe it will react on your mind & body which has everything to do with psychology but it’s still all down to vibrations in how they react to another vibration. How about music how we react to different music which is but one vibration reacting to another vibration remembering thought is a vibration also our brain is made up of vibrative matter like the rest of our body so of course it’s going to react with & to other vibrations. 

You seem to have blind faith in science & others in spiritualism, I don’t have blind faith in either as it’s all a natural process especially when you understand how different vibrations react. There is absolutely nothing mystical or hoogly-boogly in the world only what we don’t understand as yet.

I wrote a quote some time ago: “There is nothing mystical about the unknown only the known, so if you are questioned about your beliefs in mysticism just say it’s only mystical to you as you not the understanding of something more than you believe!!!”.....Love Mathew

In regards to dogmatic scientists I did say certain scientists not all as you have said I stated.

If you can't prove it why say it can't possibly exist at all like yourself with the belief in Atheism, your saying, with this belief, that God or a creative consciousness can't possibly exist ever because that is what the belief in atheism means however agnosticism is different.

Look Paul I can see where you are coming from & I agree but only to a point, you’re taking this too far the other way to make any plausible objective remarks on this I feel.  

Love

Mathew